Curse

LouAl · Mar 14, 2006, 09:14 PM // 21:14

I did a run last night...people would have laughed...
I was running a 55 hp mesmer with no damage using the standard 55 setup (slightly modified to include Symp Visage, Vig Spirit, and Power Drain to help survivability).
My Ele partner was running a fire build that killed aatxes fairly quickly, decimated groups of grasps (about 15 seconds for a 2 groups), and one-shot-killed nightmares. We never got to smites becuase I kept closing my eyes for just a second and dying...it was late.

Does anyone know this build? I should have asked, but I was basically sleep gaming so I didn't think of it, and I am not sure she would answer a pm since I kept falling asleep during our runs.

I am fairly sure she was using
Incendiary bonds
Meteor Shower (only once and that was against the grasps)

Possible other skills
Mind Burn (for DM's)
Rodgort's Invocation

Everything seemed to burn for about the whole time it was alive and everything died at the same time.

I would also guess that she was running some kind of energy mgmt.

Any ideas would be great.

Francis Crawford · Mar 15, 2006, 04:29 AM // 04:29

It sounds as if she ran something similar to my Double Glyph build:

Glyph of Energy
Glyph of Lesser Energy
Rodgort's Invocation
Incendiary Bonds
Meteor Shower
Fireball
Rez
(Optional -- I use Heal Party in larger groups, but she probably wasn't running it in a party of two)

When I do the build with Heal Party, I max out Fire Magic at 16 and split the other attribute points pretty evenly between Energy Storage and Heal Party, spamming some 59 point heals when the monks seem to be under excessive pressure.

That produces 24 seconds of AoE burning on what optimally is a 65-80 second cycle of spells (depending on when fast recharge kicks in), along with 1200 points or so of fire damage and three knockdowns, for 85 points of energy. You have energy free to throw in a bunch of fireballs for more damage, or to save the monks some energy by doing some healing.

Probably not as powerful as an SS necro against high-AL opponents who lack good hex removal and bunch closely enough together that the nuker's wider AoEs don't matter -- but a strong build even so.

LouAl · Mar 15, 2006, 11:25 PM // 23:25

I am not sure she was using fireball, at least I didn't see them launching out at stuff, but the rest of that stuff sounds about right.

Like I said it did take the Aatxes down pretty quickly, although not as fast as an ss necro.

The biggest mystery I had was how she was killing the Nightmares. She did kill a few without line of sight (I think, again I was pretty tired at the time), and she was killing them in one shot. I thought it was probably Mind burn because it would do enough damage, I think, because she would have more energy than they would, and it could be done without line of sight. Also, the DM's were burning as they died.

But, if she did bring M. Burn, then she would not be able to bring Glyph of energy, and that would hurt the build's energy in a big way, except that I only saw her use Met Shower once and it was against 2 groups of grasps combined.

I tried to ask her last night but she said she was busy doing HA and couldn't talk. I guess I'll try again later.

Francis Crawford · Mar 16, 2006, 04:39 AM // 04:39

I've never done UW, so I don't know what the "gotcha" is about killing Nightmares. Anyhow, why wouldn't Immolate work (not a projectile spell)?

remmeh · Mar 16, 2006, 06:35 AM // 06:35

immolate would kill them easily.

Francis Crawford · Mar 16, 2006, 09:18 AM // 09:18

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Originally Posted by remmeh

immolate would kill them easily.

Then that's probably what it was, in the skill slot I usually use for Fireball. It sets them on fire, it doesn't require LOS, it makes sense from a cost and recharge perspective ...

LouAl · Mar 16, 2006, 08:20 PM // 20:20

I just wasn't sure if the dmg from immolate was enough to take them down. It was what came to mind first, but I started thinking that it takes 2, and sometimes 3, wand hits to take them down. The wand hits usually get them for around 40 dmg? I think? At lvl 16 immolate only does 53 dmg +burning, unless they take extra damage from fire...it didn't seem that was enough., but I have never tried.

@remmeh
have you killed the nightmares with immolate? like I said it was my first guess but I ruled it out because of lowish damage, but mind burn seems excessive from a cost standpoint, 15e plus exhaustion and on a 20 sec recharge...If immolate is enough it would be by far the better choice.

thx to both of you for helping me with this (I am not sure why I care, but I want to know sooo badly)

Neriandal Freit · Mar 16, 2006, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by LouAl

I just wasn't sure if the dmg from immolate was enough to take them down. It was what came to mind first, but I started thinking that it takes 2, and sometimes 3, wand hits to take them down. The wand hits usually get them for around 40 dmg? I think? At lvl 16 immolate only does 53 dmg +burning, unless they take extra damage from fire...it didn't seem that was enough., but I have never tried.'

@remmeh
have you killed the nightmares with immolate? like I said it was my first guess but I ruled it out because of lowish damage, but mind burn seems excessive from a cost standpoint, 15e plus exhaustion and on a 20 sec recharge...If immolate is enough it would be by far the better choice.

thx to both of you for helping me with this (I am not sure why I care, but I want to know sooo badly)

What was her secondary build?

LouAl · Mar 16, 2006, 10:51 PM // 22:51

Her secondary Profession? I think it was mesmer, but could be mistaken.

Neriandal Freit · Mar 17, 2006, 01:28 AM // 01:28

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Originally Posted by LouAl

Her secondary Profession? I think it was mesmer, but could be mistaken.

There is a skill that spreads conditions to surrounding foes of target foe. It'll spread rest of the duration to each of them. So it's possible she was burning and using this as it to constantly burn them.

Francis Crawford · Mar 17, 2006, 04:17 AM // 04:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit

There is a skill that spreads conditions to surrounding foes of target foe. It'll spread rest of the duration to each of them. So it's possible she was burning and using this as it to constantly burn them.

I imagine you're thinking of Epidemic.

But given a choice of

Immolate + Epidemic vs.
Rodgort's Invocation,

the latter seems to do a lot more AoE damage + burning for the almost* the same energy cost.

*I think Epidemic went down to a cost of 10 in the recent update.

Warskull · Mar 17, 2006, 06:40 AM // 06:40

Sounds like Glyph of Renewal+Rodgorts Invocation and Incendiary Bonds.

Svovler · Mar 17, 2006, 07:53 AM // 07:53

I really want to hear that build correct!
Can you ask her about it?

Neriandal Freit · Mar 17, 2006, 01:02 PM // 13:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francis Crawford

I imagine you're thinking of Epidemic.

But given a choice of

Immolate + Epidemic vs.
Rodgort's Invocation,

the latter seems to do a lot more AoE damage + burning for the almost* the same energy cost.

*I think Epidemic went down to a cost of 10 in the recent update.

Yes, Epidemic, I was forgetting what it was. But it makes perfect sense in the "everything always seemed to be burning", which I could only see would have been helped by Epidemic, a skill that I think needs more loving.

LouAl · Mar 17, 2006, 07:34 PM // 19:34

I asked her again last night and here is the build...

Meteor Shower
Fireball (you were right, Francis)
Incendiary Bonds
Spiteful Spirit (necro secondary, apparently I was wrong about mesmer :P )
Immolate (for nightmares, remmeh was right that it kills them easily)
Rodgort's Invocation
Fire Attune
Res

My thought is to use the skills so that you keep burning maintained as often as possible without overlapping it. In between the burning spells you hit them with a fireball whenever you can. Of course, you would get SS on everything as often as possible.

have fun

p.s. she said the skills aren't that important if you aren't using them at the right time...